Posts by Joe Grundy

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What proof is there that the JWs were chosen by Jehovah to be His people?

by VM44 in

what proof is there that the jws were chosen by jehovah to be a "people for his name"?

growth in numbers is not proof, other religions also have displayed such growth over the last 100 years.. material prosperity is not proof as other religions also have considerable wealth, both in cash, property and real estate.. printing the watchtower and awake!

magazines certainly is not proof!.

Joe Grundy

None that matches up to any rational or accepted definition of the word 'proof'.

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A Christmas Baby

by Joe Grundy in

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i've spoken on here before about my jw neighbours (my motivation for joining this site).. i bumped into the lady the other day - we don't have a lot of contact since i explained my position.

she is heavily pregnant with no.

3 and mentioned that the baby was due in about 6 weeks.. 'how lovely' i said, 'a christmas baby!'..

Joe Grundy

I've spoken on here before about my JW neighbours (my motivation for joining this site).

I bumped into the lady the other day - we don't have a lot of contact since I explained my position. She is heavily pregnant with no. 3 and mentioned that the baby was due in about 6 weeks.

'How lovely' I said, 'a Christmas baby!'.

'We don't celebrate or recognise Christmas' she said.

'Well, I know JWs don't celebrate Christmas now' I said, 'but they used to, and you never know they may start celebrating it again. I've got some old photos of Christmas Day at Bethel, I'll print you off a copy if you'd like to see them.'

This did not go down well, and if they had a Christmas card list, I wouldn't be on it.

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Retiring today!

by iamfreenow in

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today is my 60th birthday, so i am now officially retired!

actually, my last day at work was yesterday, and my colleagues gave me flowers, wine, chocolate and took me out to lunch.. this is the first birthday i've ever had as a non jehovahs witness, and it feels very strange to be even acknowledging it, let alone celebrating.

i am going out tomorrow evening with trev, linda and a few other fading or former jws for a curry at a local restaraunt, which i'm very much looking forward to.

Joe Grundy

Congratulations, Marion.

I can thoroughly recommend this retirement business.

Best Wishes

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WHY IS THE WTBTS OBSESSED WITH MASTURBATION????!!!!!

by Gill in

what exactly is the cause of the wtbts total obsession with masturbation?.

is there any religion in the world that has printed so many articles on this topic?.

if your feelings are similart to those of luiz, pedro or andre, take courage.

Joe Grundy

I'm sorry to hear that many young JWs have problems with masturbation. Couldn't WTBTS publish an article outlining techniques that have worked well for others?

'There was a young sailor named Tex

Who avoided premarital sex

By thinking of Jesus

And sexual diseases

And beating his meat below decks.'

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HELP PLEASE - Youngster At Risk

by Joe Grundy in

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(i am not, never have been, a jw.

i am an apostate of the whore of babylon and have been awarded the title of honorary apostate here.).

i very recently posted about how i had come into contact with a poster on an entirely unrelated mb whose step-daughter (age about 12) was, i concluded, studying with jws along with her natural mum.

Joe Grundy

Thanks, Linda.

You are, as ever, a star!

Joe

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HELP PLEASE - Youngster At Risk

by Joe Grundy in

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(i am not, never have been, a jw.

i am an apostate of the whore of babylon and have been awarded the title of honorary apostate here.).

i very recently posted about how i had come into contact with a poster on an entirely unrelated mb whose step-daughter (age about 12) was, i concluded, studying with jws along with her natural mum.

Joe Grundy

Thanks to all for the information, which has been passed on.

It looks as though battle may be about to commence.

For opening shots, can anyone please provide a quick link to the 'Bethel Christmas celebration' photos which I know I've seen somewhere here? This will be question no. 1 to the 'bible study' conductor, as in 'when and why did God change his maind about celebrating Christmas?'

Thanks in anticipation.

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An anniversary of sorts today

by fullofdoubtnow in

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i didn't realise it, but trev just told me that today is one year to the date since i first visited him at his home to do some research on the internet about the wts.

i hadn't been going to all the meetings for a while at that time, and the month before i came here i hadn't been at all, but was unsure, despite my doubts, whether i wanted to leave the jws then or not.

i read on quotes, freeminds and this site, and trev printed some stuff for me to read later.

Joe Grundy

Congratulations - and thanks for your help.

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If this doesn't scream mind control, nothing will

by restrangled in

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this poem was written by a 15 year old jw to encourage one of my younger relatives to get back to the kh.

to get to the meeting ahead of time.

to make our way to the counter to get in line .

Joe Grundy

But hopefully, in a few years,

After all the pain and tears

I'll look back with opened eyes

And that's when I will realise

What the Watchtower did to me

I'm not the girl that I could be.

I can't forget, I won't forgive,

My revenge will be to LIVE.

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In Ireland, JW's may sue over blood transfusion

by Kenneson in

in an unprecedented case, an irish judge overruled an adult woman jehovah's witness objection to blood transfusions.

in the past, only children had been forced to have transfusions where deemed necessary.

when the story first broke out, there were several ambiguities and questions unanswered.

Joe Grundy

Thanks for the clarification. I understand better now.

And yes, I am Welsh but now living in Cyprus where there is more sunshine and less rain! Slainte

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In Ireland, JW's may sue over blood transfusion

by Kenneson in

in an unprecedented case, an irish judge overruled an adult woman jehovah's witness objection to blood transfusions.

in the past, only children had been forced to have transfusions where deemed necessary.

when the story first broke out, there were several ambiguities and questions unanswered.

Joe Grundy

Apologies for Eire/Ireland!

The constitutional issue, as I understand it, would be in relation to the woman's human rights, i.e. that she had a medical treatment imposed upon her by the state against her will.

A couple of thoughts arise. First, the court ruling as I understand it was to protect the child's interests because at the time it was made it was considered that it would have been an orphan with no support network whatsoever should the mother die.

Second, as I understand it under Irish law, the child became an Irish citizen (or at least entitled to citizenship) at birth, so the state had an obligation to protect the child.

Third, if the law in Ireland is the same as in E&W, one can sue to obtain reparation/compensation for a wrong already done, or to force somebody to do something (madamus) or cease doing something (ceriatori). I can see how the woman might sue for an arbitrary figure for damages for assault, etc. Is there a possibility that the state may appoint someone to act on behalf of the child?

In E&W there is a procedure - rarely used - where the Attorney-General will take a case to the High Court/House of Lords where the issue is so important that a definitive ruling is required. Presumably the same could apply here.

I entirely accept your point about the constitutional issues. I can't help feeling, however, that the more 'sensational' media would make a hell of a meal of this in the 'Crazy Cult Woman Wanted To Die' type mode (let alone issues re being an immigrant) and that any savvy PR guy for WTBTS would be weighing this up (divine light/guidance notwithstanding).

But I speak as an outsider (not now, never have been, a JW etc.) and not as an Irish citizen or resident (although a fellow Celt), and I bow to your knowledge of the feelings re the issues involved.

Regards